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Wabash vs Denison (02/21/09 at Granville, Ohio (Livingston Gymnasium)) Wabash vs Denison (02/21/09 at Granville, Ohio (Livingston Gymnasium))
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Official Basketball Box Score Wabash vs Denison 02/21/09 3:00 p.m. at Granville, Ohio (Livingston Gymnasium) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VISITORS: Wabash 12-12, 7-9 NCAC TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS ## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN 04 Chase Haltom........ * 6-9 4-5 4-4 0 2 2 2 20 2 0 0 4 39 11 Brian Shelbourne.... * 2-6 0-0 0-0 1 4 5 1 4 1 2 0 1 28 21 Wes Smith........... * 4-8 0-1 2-5 1 5 6 4 10 4 3 0 0 18 41 Derek Bailey........ * 5-6 0-0 0-1 0 1 1 1 10 1 2 0 0 25 42 Brian Maloney....... * 4-4 0-0 7-10 2 3 5 3 15 0 1 2 1 24 03 Dominique Thomas.... 1-3 0-1 1-2 0 2 2 1 3 0 1 0 1 16 15 Andrew Gilman....... 1-6 1-5 0-0 0 3 3 2 3 5 0 0 0 20 23 Ben Burkett......... 4-7 0-0 2-2 1 2 3 1 10 1 1 0 1 21 32 Mark Turpin......... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 4 52 Rich Kavalauskas.... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 5 TEAM................ 2 2 Totals.............. 27-49 5-12 16-24 7 23 30 16 75 16 11 2 8 200 TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 15-26 57.7% 2nd Half: 12-23 52.2% Game: 55.1% DEADB 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 2-7 28.6% 2nd Half: 3-5 60.0% Game: 41.7% REBS F Throw % 1st Half: 5-7 71.4% 2nd Half: 11-17 64.7% Game: 66.7% 2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOME TEAM: Denison 8-17, 5-11 NCAC TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS ## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN 23 Pat Sullivan........ * 4-10 0-2 1-2 0 0 0 2 9 2 1 0 1 31 24 Larry Farmer........ * 8-11 0-0 1-3 2 12 14 1 17 2 2 2 1 35 34 Caleb Mcferren...... * 4-5 0-0 3-3 1 2 3 4 11 1 3 0 1 24 40 Chris Luther........ * 6-8 1-3 2-3 1 0 1 2 15 4 0 0 1 33 55 Jeremy Stuhlfauth... * 0-2 0-0 0-0 1 3 4 1 0 2 2 0 0 13 12 Jim Leffew.......... 2-5 0-2 0-0 0 1 1 1 4 0 1 0 0 18 20 Casey Stockton...... 0-0 0-0 0-0 1 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 4 30 Brett Tiberi........ 1-3 0-2 1-2 0 0 0 1 3 1 1 0 0 15 31 Mike Garabedian..... 2-10 0-2 0-0 1 2 3 2 4 1 2 0 0 17 52 Marr Mansfield...... 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 1 10 TEAM................ 2 1 3 Totals.............. 27-54 1-11 8-13 9 21 30 17 63 13 15 2 5 200 TOTAL FG% 1st Half: 12-21 57.1% 2nd Half: 15-33 45.5% Game: 50.0% DEADB 3-Pt. FG% 1st Half: 0-4 0.0% 2nd Half: 1-7 14.3% Game: 9.1% REBS F Throw % 1st Half: 5-9 55.6% 2nd Half: 3-4 75.0% Game: 61.5% 0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Officials: Ron Banc, Jim D'Amato, James Reilly Jr. Technical fouls: Wabash-None. Denison-None. Attendance: 680 Score by Periods 1st 2nd Total Wabash........................ 37 38 - 75 Denison....................... 29 34 - 63 Points in the paint-WABM 38,DENM 48. Points off turnovers-WABM 21,DENM 16. 2nd chance points-WABM 4,DENM 8. Fast break points-WABM 6,DENM 8. Bench points-WABM 16,DENM 11. Score tied-2 times. Lead changed-1 time. Last FG-WABM 2nd-02:21, DENM 2nd-00:44. Largest lead-WABM by 16 1st-06:06, DENM by 6 1st-18:46.Play-by-Play
Play-by-Play Wabash vs Denison 02/21/09 3:00 p.m. at Granville, Ohio (Livingston Gymnasium) 1st PERIOD Play-by-Play (Page 1) HOME TEAM: Denison TIME SCORE MAR VISITORS: Wabash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 19:55 2-0 H 2 ASSIST by Chris Luther 19:55 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 19:39 MISSED JUMPER by Wes Smith GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [FB/PNT] 19:32 4-0 H 4 ASSIST by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 19:32 19:27 TIMEOUT 30sec 19:03 TURNOVR by Wes Smith GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 18:46 6-0 H 6 ASSIST by Caleb Mcferren 18:46 18:12 MISSED 3 PTR by Chase Haltom 18:12 REBOUND (OFF) by Brian Shelbourne FOUL by Larry Farmer (P1T1) 18:07 6-1 H 5 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 18:07 6-2 H 4 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney TURNOVR by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 17:35 17:07 6-4 H 2 GOOD! JUMPER by Wes Smith [PNT] 17:07 ASSIST by Derek Bailey TURNOVR by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 16:53 16:39 6-6 T 1 GOOD! JUMPER by Wes Smith [PNT] GOOD! FT SHOT by Larry Farmer 16:23 7-6 H 1 FOUL by Wes Smith (P1T1) MISSED FT SHOT by Larry Farmer 16:23 REBOUND (DEF) by Wes Smith FOUL by Mike Garabedian (P1T2) 16:12 7-7 T 2 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 16:12 7-8 V 1 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney MISSED 3 PTR by Mike Garabedian 15:50 REBOUND (DEF) by Wes Smith 15:27 7-10 V 3 GOOD! LAYUP by Brian Shelbourne [PNT] 15:27 ASSIST by Wes Smith GOOD! LAYUP by Chris Luther [PNT] 15:05 9-10 V 1 14:53 9-12 V 3 GOOD! JUMPER by Brian Maloney [PNT] 14:53 ASSIST by Wes Smith TURNOVR by Pat Sullivan 14:32 14:31 STEAL by Chase Haltom 14:28 9-14 V 5 GOOD! LAYUP by Derek Bailey [FB/PNT] 14:28 ASSIST by Chase Haltom GOOD! JUMPER by Chris Luther [PNT] 14:12 11-14 V 3 REBOUND (DEF) by Caleb Mcferren 13:47 MISSED JUMPER by Wes Smith 13:40 FOUL by Brian Maloney (P1T2) GOOD! JUMPER by Brett Tiberi 13:14 13-14 V 1 ASSIST by Mike Garabedian 13:14 13:05 13-16 V 3 GOOD! LAYUP by Wes Smith [PNT] TURNOVR by Mike Garabedian 12:56 FOUL by Mike Garabedian (P2T3) 12:56 REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 12:33 MISSED 3 PTR by Andrew Gilman TURNOVR by Mike Garabedian 12:15 12:02 13-18 V 5 GOOD! JUMPER by Dominique Thomas 12:02 ASSIST by Mark Turpin MISSED 3 PTR by Brett Tiberi 11:25 REBOUND (DEF) by Chase Haltom 11:07 13-21 V 8 GOOD! 3 PTR by Chase Haltom 11:07 ASSIST by Andrew Gilman TIMEOUT 30sec 11:04 MISSED JUMPER by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 10:51 REBOUND (DEF) by Mark Turpin 10:42 TURNOVR by Mark Turpin 10:42 FOUL by Mark Turpin (P1T3) GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 10:28 15-21 V 6 FOUL by Casey Stockton (P1T4) 10:07 15-22 V 7 GOOD! FT SHOT by Dominique Thomas REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 10:07 MISSED FT SHOT by Dominique Thomas MISSED 3 PTR by Brett Tiberi 09:49 REBOUND (DEF) by Ben Burkett 09:37 MISSED 3 PTR by Andrew Gilman 09:37 REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM) REBOUND (DEF) by Jim Leffew 09:08 MISSED JUMPER by Dominique Thomas MISSED LAYUP by Larry Farmer 08:40 REBOUND (OFF) by Casey Stockton 08:40 TURNOVR by Casey Stockton 08:37 08:36 STEAL by Chase Haltom 08:33 15-24 V 9 GOOD! LAYUP by Derek Bailey [FB/PNT] 08:33 ASSIST by Andrew Gilman TURNOVR by Casey Stockton 08:08 07:59 15-27 V 12 GOOD! 3 PTR by Chase Haltom 07:59 ASSIST by Wes Smith TURNOVR by Jim Leffew 07:40 07:38 STEAL by Brian Maloney REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 07:29 MISSED 3 PTR by Wes Smith MISSED JUMPER by Larry Farmer 07:16 REBOUND (DEF) by Wes Smith 06:59 MISSED LAYUP by Brian Shelbourne 06:59 REBOUND (OFF) by Brian Maloney 06:56 15-29 V 14 GOOD! JUMPER by Brian Maloney [PNT] TIMEOUT TEAM 06:50 MISSED LAYUP by Caleb Mcferren 06:19 BLOCK by Brian Maloney REBOUND (OFF) by Caleb Mcferren 06:17 TURNOVR by Caleb Mcferren 06:17 06:06 15-31 V 16 GOOD! JUMPER by Brian Maloney 06:06 ASSIST by Wes Smith GOOD! LAYUP by Pat Sullivan [PNT] 05:54 17-31 V 14 ASSIST by Chris Luther 05:54 05:27 17-33 V 16 GOOD! JUMPER by Wes Smith 05:19 FOUL by Wes Smith (P2T4) GOOD! LAYUP by Pat Sullivan [PNT] 05:03 19-33 V 14 REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 04:43 MISSED 3 PTR by Dominique Thomas GOOD! FT SHOT by Caleb Mcferren 04:05 20-33 V 13 FOUL by Brian Maloney (P2T5) GOOD! FT SHOT by Caleb Mcferren 04:05 21-33 V 12 03:49 TURNOVR by Derek Bailey STEAL by Larry Farmer 03:47 GOOD! LAYUP by Caleb Mcferren [FB/PNT] 03:44 23-33 V 10 03:30 TURNOVR by Brian Shelbourne STEAL by Marr Mansfield 03:29 GOOD! FT SHOT by Pat Sullivan 03:24 24-33 V 9 FOUL by Brian Shelbourne (P1T6) MISSED FT SHOT by Pat Sullivan 03:24 REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM) 03:24 MISSED 3 PTR by Pat Sullivan 03:08 REBOUND (DEF) by Dominique Thomas STEAL by Caleb Mcferren 02:35 TURNOVR by Ben Burkett TURNOVR by Larry Farmer 02:23 02:22 STEAL by Chase Haltom 02:18 24-35 V 11 GOOD! JUMPER by Chase Haltom [FB/PNT] GOOD! JUMPER by Chris Luther [PNT] 02:02 26-35 V 9 ASSIST by Larry Farmer 02:02 MISSED FT SHOT by Chris Luther 02:02 FOUL by Derek Bailey (P1T7) 02:02 REBOUND (DEF) by Ben Burkett 01:41 26-37 V 11 GOOD! JUMPER by Derek Bailey [PNT] 01:41 ASSIST by Andrew Gilman FOUL by Caleb Mcferren (P1T5) 01:41 MISSED FT SHOT by Derek Bailey REBOUND (DEF) by Mike Garabedian 01:41 MISSED JUMPER by Mike Garabedian 01:15 REBOUND (OFF) by Mike Garabedian 01:15 GOOD! JUMPER by Mike Garabedian [PNT] 01:11 28-37 V 9 REBOUND (DEF) by Mike Garabedian 00:58 MISSED LAYUP by Andrew Gilman GOOD! FT SHOT by Brett Tiberi 00:39 29-37 V 8 FOUL by Dominique Thomas (P1T8) MISSED FT SHOT by Brett Tiberi 00:39 REBOUND (DEF) by Andrew Gilman REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 00:12 MISSED LAYUP by Ben Burkett TURNOVR by Brett Tiberi 00:06 00:04 STEAL by Chase Haltom 00:01 TURNOVR by Derek Bailey
Wabash 37, Denison 29 1st period-only InPaint Pts-T/O 2nd-Chc FastBrk BnchPts Ties Leads Wabash 20 17 4 6 3 2 1 Denison 22 7 2 4 5 0 0
2nd PERIOD Play-by-Play (Page 1) HOME TEAM: Denison TIME SCORE MAR VISITORS: Wabash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19:48 TURNOVR by Brian Maloney 19:48 FOUL by Brian Maloney (P3T1) MISSED JUMPER by Mike Garabedian 19:38 BLOCK by Brian Maloney REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM) 19:38 MISSED LAYUP by Mike Garabedian 19:27 REBOUND (OFF) by Larry Farmer 19:27 GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 19:23 31-37 V 6 FOUL by Chris Luther (P1T1) 19:16 31-38 V 7 GOOD! FT SHOT by Wes Smith REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 19:16 MISSED FT SHOT by Wes Smith MISSED 3 PTR by Chris Luther 19:10 REBOUND (DEF) by Wes Smith 18:50 TURNOVR by Wes Smith 18:50 FOUL by Wes Smith (P3T2) MISSED 3 PTR by Mike Garabedian 18:21 REBOUND (DEF) by Derek Bailey FOUL by Caleb Mcferren (P2T2) 18:17 17:52 31-40 V 9 GOOD! LAYUP by Brian Shelbourne [PNT] MISSED 3 PTR by Chris Luther 17:24 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Maloney 17:15 MISSED LAYUP by Brian Shelbourne 17:15 REBOUND (OFF) by Wes Smith BLOCK by Larry Farmer 17:13 MISSED JUMPER by Wes Smith REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 17:10 GOOD! LAYUP by Caleb Mcferren [PNT] 17:04 33-40 V 7 FOUL by Caleb Mcferren (P3T3) 16:57 16:56 TURNOVR by Wes Smith 16:56 FOUL by Wes Smith (P4T3) GOOD! LAYUP by Chris Luther [PNT] 16:35 35-40 V 5 ASSIST by Larry Farmer 16:35 16:19 35-42 V 7 GOOD! LAYUP by Brian Maloney [PNT] 16:19 ASSIST by Chase Haltom MISSED JUMPER by Mike Garabedian 16:01 REBOUND (DEF) by Dominique Thomas 15:54 TURNOVR by Dominique Thomas STEAL by Chris Luther 15:53 GOOD! 3 PTR by Chris Luther 15:48 38-42 V 4 ASSIST by Pat Sullivan 15:48 REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 15:28 MISSED LAYUP by Chase Haltom GOOD! LAYUP by Chris Luther [FB/PNT] 15:22 40-42 V 2 ASSIST by Pat Sullivan 15:22 15:12 TIMEOUT 30sec FOUL by Chris Luther (P2T4) 14:53 MISSED FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 14:53 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) 14:53 40-43 V 3 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 14:41 FOUL by Andrew Gilman (P1T4) MISSED JUMPER by Mike Garabedian 14:31 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Maloney 14:16 40-45 V 5 GOOD! LAYUP by Derek Bailey [PNT] 14:16 ASSIST by Andrew Gilman GOOD! LAYUP by Mike Garabedian [PNT] 13:59 42-45 V 3 13:33 MISSED 3 PTR by Andrew Gilman 13:33 REBOUND (OFF) by Brian Maloney REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 13:14 MISSED LAYUP by Derek Bailey 13:08 FOUL by Chase Haltom (P1T5) GOOD! JUMPER by Jim Leffew 12:53 44-45 V 1 ASSIST by Brett Tiberi 12:53 12:26 44-47 V 3 GOOD! LAYUP by Chase Haltom [PNT] MISSED JUMPER by Jim Leffew 12:08 REBOUND (DEF) by Andrew Gilman 11:46 44-50 V 6 GOOD! 3 PTR by Andrew Gilman 11:46 ASSIST by Ben Burkett TURNOVR by Marr Mansfield 11:22 11:21 STEAL by Dominique Thomas FOUL by Marr Mansfield (P1T5) 11:21 REBOUND (DEF) by Caleb Mcferren 10:56 MISSED 3 PTR by Andrew Gilman TURNOVR by Caleb Mcferren 10:36 10:35 STEAL by Ben Burkett 10:22 44-52 V 8 GOOD! LAYUP by Ben Burkett [PNT] 10:22 ASSIST by Rich Kavalauskas GOOD! LAYUP by Jim Leffew [PNT] 10:05 46-52 V 6 FOUL by Marr Mansfield (P2T6) 09:54 46-53 V 7 GOOD! FT SHOT by Ben Burkett 09:54 46-54 V 8 GOOD! FT SHOT by Ben Burkett GOOD! LAYUP by Caleb Mcferren [PNT] 09:36 48-54 V 6 09:13 48-56 V 8 GOOD! LAYUP by Ben Burkett [PNT] TURNOVR by Caleb Mcferren 08:52 08:51 STEAL by Brian Shelbourne 08:37 48-58 V 10 GOOD! LAYUP by Ben Burkett [PNT] TIMEOUT TEAM 08:29 GOOD! LAYUP by Caleb Mcferren [PNT] 08:15 50-58 V 8 GOOD! FT SHOT by Caleb Mcferren 08:15 51-58 V 7 FOUL by Andrew Gilman (P2T6) 07:44 51-61 V 10 GOOD! 3 PTR by Chase Haltom MISSED LAYUP by Mike Garabedian 07:22 REBOUND (DEF) by Andrew Gilman 07:10 MISSED LAYUP by Ben Burkett 07:10 REBOUND (OFF) by Ben Burkett BLOCK by Larry Farmer 07:07 MISSED JUMPER by Ben Burkett 07:07 REBOUND (OFF) by (TEAM) REBOUND (DEF) by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 06:53 MISSED JUMPER by Brian Shelbourne MISSED LAYUP by Pat Sullivan 06:39 REBOUND (OFF) by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 06:39 MISSED LAYUP by Larry Farmer 06:14 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Shelbourne 05:55 51-63 V 12 GOOD! LAYUP by Ben Burkett [PNT] 05:55 ASSIST by Andrew Gilman MISSED 3 PTR by Jim Leffew 05:32 REBOUND (OFF) by Chris Luther 05:32 GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 05:25 53-63 V 10 ASSIST by Chris Luther 05:25 04:58 53-66 V 13 GOOD! 3 PTR by Chase Haltom GOOD! FT SHOT by Chris Luther 04:42 54-66 V 12 FOUL by Chase Haltom (P2T7) GOOD! FT SHOT by Chris Luther 04:42 55-66 V 11 04:35 TURNOVR by Brian Shelbourne STEAL by Pat Sullivan 04:34 GOOD! LAYUP by Pat Sullivan [FB/PNT] 04:33 57-66 V 9 REBOUND (DEF) by (TEAM) 04:17 MISSED LAYUP by Chase Haltom MISSED LAYUP by Pat Sullivan 03:59 REBOUND (DEF) by Chase Haltom FOUL by Caleb Mcferren (P4T7) 03:38 MISSED FT SHOT by Wes Smith REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 03:38 MISSED 3 PTR by Pat Sullivan 03:20 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Shelbourne FOUL by Jeremy Stuhlfauth (P1T8) 02:58 57-67 V 10 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 02:58 57-68 V 11 GOOD! FT SHOT by Brian Maloney GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 02:32 59-68 V 9 ASSIST by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 02:32 MISSED FT SHOT by Larry Farmer 02:32 FOUL by Ben Burkett (P1T8) 02:32 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Shelbourne 02:21 59-70 V 11 GOOD! LAYUP by Derek Bailey [PNT] 02:21 ASSIST by Brian Shelbourne MISSED LAYUP by Jeremy Stuhlfauth 02:07 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Shelbourne REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 01:37 MISSED JUMPER by Brian Shelbourne MISSED LAYUP by Pat Sullivan 01:27 REBOUND (DEF) by Brian Maloney FOUL by Pat Sullivan (P1T9) 01:15 59-71 V 12 GOOD! FT SHOT by Chase Haltom 01:15 59-72 V 13 GOOD! FT SHOT by Chase Haltom 01:15 TIMEOUT TEAM GOOD! LAYUP by Larry Farmer [PNT] 01:03 61-72 V 11 ASSIST by Chris Luther 01:03 TIMEOUT TEAM 01:03 FOUL by Brett Tiberi (P1T10) 01:01 MISSED FT SHOT by Brian Maloney 01:01 REBOUND (OFF) by (DEADBALL) REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 01:01 MISSED FT SHOT by Brian Maloney MISSED 3 PTR by Jim Leffew 00:53 REBOUND (OFF) by Larry Farmer 00:53 GOOD! LAYUP by Pat Sullivan [PNT] 00:44 63-72 V 9 TIMEOUT 30sec 00:44 FOUL by Pat Sullivan (P2T11) 00:34 63-73 V 10 GOOD! FT SHOT by Chase Haltom 00:34 63-74 V 11 GOOD! FT SHOT by Chase Haltom MISSED LAYUP by Pat Sullivan 00:29 REBOUND (DEF) by Wes Smith FOUL by Jim Leffew (P1T12) 00:26 63-75 V 12 GOOD! FT SHOT by Wes Smith REBOUND (DEF) by Larry Farmer 00:26 MISSED FT SHOT by Wes Smith TURNOVR by Larry Farmer 00:17
Wabash 75, Denison 63 2nd period-only InPaint Pts-T/O 2nd-Chc FastBrk BnchPts Ties Leads Wabash 18 4 0 0 13 0 0 Denison 26 9 6 4 6 0 0Play Analysis
Wabash vs Denison (02/21/09 - Period 2 00:00) POINTS OFF TURNOVERS 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 17 4 - 21 Denison................. 7 9 - 16 POINTS IN PAINT 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 20 18 - 38 Denison................. 22 26 - 48 2ND CHANCE POINTS 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 4 0 - 4 Denison................. 2 6 - 8 FAST BREAK POINTS 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 6 0 - 6 Denison................. 4 4 - 8 BENCH POINTS 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 3 13 - 16 Denison................. 5 6 - 11 SCORE TIED BY 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 2 0 - 2 Denison................. 0 0 - 0 LEAD GAINED BY 1 2 - Tot Wabash.................. 1 0 - 1 Denison................. 0 0 - 0